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Mary Loder- Welcome to Course Stories,

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produced by the instructional
design and new media team

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of EdPlus at Arizona State University.

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In this podcast, we tell an
array of course design stories

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alongside other ASU online
designers and faculty.

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On today's Course Story.

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Ricardo Leon- Maybe we should just start.

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Do you remember how we
start the podcast usually?

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(people laughing)
Mary Loder- Remind me.

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Ricardo Leon- It goes, "Hi, I'm Mary Loder from,"

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wait, how does it go? (people laughing)

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Mary Loder- Yeah, sorry, I'll be you,

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you'll be me.
Tim McKean- Want me to pull up

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an episode?
Ricardo Leon- Sure.

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No, no, no, no.

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Mary Loder- Oh, hi, I'm Mary Loder and
I'm an instructional designer

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with Arizona State University.

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Ricardo- And I'm Ricardo Leon.

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I'm a media developer at the same place.

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Mary- We work together.
Ricardo- Ooh, we did it perfect.

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Mary- That's how it is.

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Hi, I'm Mary Loder,

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an instructional designer from ASU Online.

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Ricardo- I'm Ricardo Leone.

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I'm a media specialist at the same place.

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Mary- We work together.

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Ricardo- Let's get on with the show.

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Hey, Mary.
Mary- Hey,

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how's it going, Ricardo?

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Ricardo- It's going all right.

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Mary- All right? (Ricardo chuckles)

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You sound sad. (chuckles)

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Ricardo- No, it's fine, it's fine.

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What are we talking about today?

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Mary- We're talking about a lot of things.

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Primarily podcasting and
primarily the OLC and conferences,

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but we're joined by our colleagues.

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Ricardo- Oh, wow.

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Mary- So we're talking today
about OLC Innovate 2023,

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which happened back in April

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and there was a lot to unpack.

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Ricardo- And we were there.
Mary- And we were there.

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Ricardo- And we did a live.

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Mary- We did a couple of lives,

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not only in our own podcast,

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but we were in Online
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which we will post in the show notes.

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You know how we do.
Ricardo- Crossover.

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Mary- Crossover, bam, bam,
bam. (Ricardo chuckles)

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We actually were asked to
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on Mat Talks.
Ricardo- I can't wait.

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I can't wait.
Mary- You'll hear-

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about those podcasts in
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Ricardo- And so we did a
conversation, not presentation.

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Mary- Correct and we had no
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but thank goodness for
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who's also in the room with us right now.

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Ricardo- Hey, Tim.

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Tim McKean- Hi, everybody.
Mary- Who ran the mic

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and ran the show for
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Thank goodness for you, Tim.

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anytime.
Liz Lee- Hello, glad to be here.

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Mary- And Liz has so much experience

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as well with OLC, in Reference to.

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You went to Accelerate last year-

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and presented.
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It was a lot of fun.

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I don't know that have
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what Tamara and I were
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other people were doing.

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from your adventures with OLC.

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along with some other
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around conferencing in general

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that I thought were great
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listening to the conversation
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Liz- Conferencing, going to
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some other folks employed as well.

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in addition to the
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and some great strategies on how to divide

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and conquer conferences,
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and then also unique
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this is an episode for you even
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So we brought Tim along here to join us

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for the wraparound
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which we will be playing for you.

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when we were out there
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Tim is the floor above us here,

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but we don't always have
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'cause we're deep in the mix of things.

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So traveling to another place

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and being in that kind
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that we traveled across the country

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to network with people in my own building

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with you guys specifically

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during that week at the
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than an entire year of working.

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It's so easy to get in our own
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that sometimes we need that kind of excuse

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to step out of our own departments

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and just talk to our own neighbors.

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Mary- It was so nice getting
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Tim- That was great.

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When are we gonna do it again?

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Mary- When's our next conference?

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Ricardo- Let's plan it.

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Tim- I think one of the
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was the value of mixing
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Ricardo- Ah, exactly.
Mary- Yes.

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Ricardo- You're the guy.

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Whenever I think of that, I think of Tim.

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Tim- Good, I feel like I
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so I'm glad to hear that
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and that it's still finding an audience.

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Tim- But I think there's,
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of instructor presence and the guys

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from Podcasting in the
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Tim- They talked about-
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Tim- Humanizing online learning.

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And that's one of the challenges
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That's the phase that we're in right now

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is online learning went very
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that balance of where's all the polish

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and where's all the
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will talk about one of
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was to keep things simple
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and use the tools you have.

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It's similar to the path
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When you go too many transitions

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and then you realize to keep
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Online learning can be the same way.

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We keep it simple, we use simple tools,

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we make it accessible and
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that comes through with
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but with that kind of informal
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and there's a nice balance to be made.

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but then some very informal jumping in,

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"Hey, this thing is a current event

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that applies to one of our topics."

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on your current work that you're doing."

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Liz- That's incredible.

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Can you define informal
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Tim- Sure, formal media being
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are recorded in a studio, edited,

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produced with nice equipment
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for things that are gonna
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So you have a certain
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and it's gonna be in the course
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that's something worth
putting some production into

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and making really nice,
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and are not gonna last.

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They don't need to be in
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Like a current event that
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or specific feedback on the
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Those kind of things can be informal

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and what I mean by informal
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your cell phone and
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talking to your students
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I think sometimes we forget
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we are informal.

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We make mistakes, we say we
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We're not perfectly polished in class

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and that's normal, that's okay,

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that's what our students are used to.

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it doesn't come across as normal,

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because we're not actors
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One of the things that actors
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is delivering a script in a way

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that doesn't sound like a script.

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And so most of us don't
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You've probably worked with
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and tried to read off a prompter
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of just turn on your mic
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and sometimes those informal,
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will maybe even be more impactful

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than the ones you spent hours
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Mary- And I like that you talked

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about the accessibility nature, too,

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because logging into an LMS system

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is a barrier to gaining
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and this whole episode's
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if you're putting it in a space

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where they can literally click a link

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and then listen to it in their commute

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just general tasks that you end up doing,

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but it ends up being a
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or reflect on the learning even more.

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Ricardo- So as you listen to this episode,

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you're gonna hear my
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'cause I had just gone
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the GSV conference

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in San Diego.
Mary- Oh, you were taxed.

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Ricardo- And doing karaoke, I blew out my voice.

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So you're gonna hear
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Mary- At least it was for a good cause.

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Karaoke is a good cause
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Liz- I was gonna say, can we get

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a little preview of the karaoke?

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Ricardo- We'll post a picture from
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singing karaoke.
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Ricardo- So join us, listener,
for our conversation,

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not presentation at-
Mary- That's right.

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Ricardo- OLC 2023 in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Ricardo- We're interested,

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what was anyone's favorite
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'Cause this episode, I think, will serve,

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for our instructors and for our IDs,

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what are the benefits of
coming to a conference?

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What kinds of things can you learn?

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What kinds of things did you learn?

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Mary- Oh, raise your hand,

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gotta get Tim to you.
Ricardo- It's podcast,

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We need a microphone
Mary- That's okay.

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Ricardo- In front of your face.
Mary- We're excited for you

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to do this, but we wanna capture

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every beautiful words you say.

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Introduce yourself and then
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Christy Aceves- So my name is Christy Aceves.

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I'm an instructional design consultant

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at Boise State University

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and one of the things
that I really appreciated

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at this conference was
that there are simple tools

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to use in courses.

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It doesn't have to be complicated,

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it doesn't have to be a
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and I think sometimes as
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and faculty, we think that we have to put

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some bells and whistles
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but I went to one of the sessions

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where he showed us how
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using just things that you have,

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a document, password protection,

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your learning management system.

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So simple is good

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and it's as effective as
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Mary- What do you think, just stay
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'cause I missed that session

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and I wanted to go to
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So this is selfishly.

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What were some of the tips that were given

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around creating that space?

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Christy- To think it through.

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Make sure that your students
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Some of them, he didn't realize,

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didn't know what an escape room was.

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or prepare something that will guide them

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through that process

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and then also think of them
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or the assignment that to give them clues,

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how can you use the
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which was for him, Canvas,

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how can you interact with them

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so that you could give them clues

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if they took or put in a wrong code

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or took a wrong path or whatever.

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to think about the student.

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to be perfect the first time, it's okay.

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It doesn't have to be perfect

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and you can go back and adjust things

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and learn from your students

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and make those adjustments
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Mary- Awesome, thank you so much for sharing.

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I really appreciate it.

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Anyone else, what was
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What did you present on?

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Maybe you wanna give a little plug

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and then we can add your
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Cris Emberton- Hi, I am Cris Emberton.

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I'm with University of
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instructional designer.

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And actually something
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and we're in the process of developing

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is our quality assurance review process

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and we want to include badges

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and it was actually Christy's session

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that enlightened, gave
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on how to incorporate badges
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and faculty appreciating badges

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and how it just gave me a lot of ideas

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on how we can pull it in

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and hopefully, they can use it,

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maybe they can use it toward
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That's something that we're hoping for,

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so I enjoyed that one.

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Mary- Awesome, thanks, Chris.

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Jason Johnson- Hey, I'm Jason Johnson at
the University of Tennessee,

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director of online learning
and course production there.

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I think for me, I came to the
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so I presented with a colleague

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from the University of Kentucky

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on how might we humanize online education.

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And that's been my wicked problem,

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tickling at the back of my
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and picking up little bits and pieces.

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with you all yesterday around that - with vendors -

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We've been talking to vendors
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and I was in a really
good session yesterday

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with some people, from, that use InScribe

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that were talking about
belonging in the online course

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and they had some really,
really insightful ways

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to think about how we're evaluating

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where students are in the online course.

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Mary- Yeah, that was a good one.

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I did attend the belonging with InScribe.

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I'm a big InScribe fan.

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We use them in a few places.

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And I caught the tail end

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of your design thinking session with John.

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That was excellent.

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I felt bad 'cause I caught the tail end,

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but there was so much
work that had taken place.

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I didn't wanna interrupt the work.

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It was really going well.

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There's a bunch of Jam Boards.

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Are you okay with us sharing a link to-

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Jason- Oh, sure.
Mary- Fixed link.

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Not the people can edit
or delete on accident.

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Jason- I'll send you that link.

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We actually have a jump doc.

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We already summarized all
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from those different groups.

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Mary- Awesome.
Jason- I mean,

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we just had great participation.

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This is a amazing conference for people

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to engage and participate
and that was the perfect.

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We were kind of in disbelief
that it actually worked

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as well as it did in some ways,

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'cause we had 45 minutes to work our way

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through this problem to prototypes

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and it was super quick,

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but people were just jumping right into it

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and it was lovely.

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Mary- It was fabulous.

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Jason- Happy to share that out.

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Mary- Great, awesome, thank you.

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Ricardo- Anybody else?

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Any tips for attending conferences

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that we can give out to our listeners

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about how to apply for conferences,

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get the funding for conferences,

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how to pack for conferences?
(people laughing)

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Ricardo- Does anyone have any-
Unknown- Good shoes?

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Mary- Good shoes?
Ricardo- What's that?

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Good shoes, yes, yes.
Mary- Good shoes.

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Ricardo- Tim, do you have any?

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Tim- I'll say that one of the
tips that I got ahead of time

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and really helped me was
to try to be intentional

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about having a goal for being here.

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I was telling my wife before I came,

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I feel like I have this huge opportunity,

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I'm just gonna blow it. (Ricardo chuckles)

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There's so many options in each block.

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There's 15 different things you could go

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and everything you choose,

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you're not choosing 14 other things.

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I'm like, "I'm missing everything."

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But I set myself a goal of
really looking at things

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that looked at building community

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around courses and around programs

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and about hybrid, hybrid
learning and hybrid course design

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and that really helped me as I was looking

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at the 15 things that I had to say no to,

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help me feel better
about that doesn't align

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with my primary goal.

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Even though that's probably
a really good session,

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that's not the primary reason I'm here,

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so it helped me a little bit feel better

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about the things that I
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So that might be a thing,

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but I was just shocked at how many

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different options there were

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and so many great sessions
all at the same time.

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Ricardo- I wanna take a quick vote.

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Say you're in a session and you realize

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that it's not for you,
it's not really aligned

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with why you're in
there. (people laughing)

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Do you get up and leave?

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Unknown- Yes.

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Mary- Yes.
Ricardo- We got people nodding.

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We got people-
Mary- We do.

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Ricardo- Put their hands up.
Mary- We get up and leave.

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(people chattering indistinctly)

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Mary- Oh, that's fair.
Ricardo- If you need to go,

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you'll go up and-
Mary- When it's awkward,

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do you leave, you're the
only person who came?

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(people laughing)

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Jason- If it's two or three people,
you gotta stay, I'm sorry.

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Mary- Socially.
Jason- Nothing else

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is more important than
helping those people feel like

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(speaking indistinctly)

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Ricardo- Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Mary- You're a nice guy, Jason.

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Ricardo- And we wanna thank everyone
here for play placating us

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and staying for the rest of this session.

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Mary- We know there are other
really good sessions

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at the same time as this.

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Ricardo- How am I just leaving?

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Mary- That we're also like, "Dang." (laughing)

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Ricardo- You can leave, but first,
you gotta say your name

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on the podcast.
Mary- That's fair, that's fair.

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That'll really put you on the spotlight.

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Tim- But there are times when you realize

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that the parameters of the
session aren't gonna apply to you

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and when you've already realize
that there's other things

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that you could get value from

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or potentially could get value from,

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I would say that mostly, I
endorse getting up and going,

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because you don't want to
do the sunk cost fallacy

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and say, I'm gonna sit here for
an hour, because I sat down.

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Instead I'm going to-
Claire Wilkinson- I have like 15 minute rule.

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Ricardo- I'm sorry?
Mary- Oh, that's a good one.

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Wait, come over.
Ricardo- 15-minute rule?

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Mary- If you don't mind, we gotta get that.

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Capture, that's a good rule.

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Mary- And what is your name, by the way?

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And what school are you from?

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Claire Wilkinson- My name is Claire Wilkinson.

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I am from McLennan Community
College in Waco, Texas.

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We also have our own podcast

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called Mac Talks
Mary- Awesome, please feel free

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to plug and send us a link,
we'll put it in the show notes.

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Claire- Oh, awesome, we'd love that.

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But I have a 15-minute rule.

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I sit down and if they don't
win me over in 15 minutes,

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I get up and walk out. (chuckles)

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Mary- It's a good rule.

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Claire- I mean it's the same
as if you're teaching.

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You need to engage your learners,

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You need to engage your audience

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and if I'm not feeling
engaged, then I leave.

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Mary- That's a good rule, time is
our most valuable resource.

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Wait, plug your podcast,
don't pass the mic yet.

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What's the name of it?

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Claire- I'm a little shy, I'm sorry.

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Mary- Oh, that's okay. (Claire chuckles)

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Claire- It's called Mac Talks.

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So our mascot is a Highlander
and his name is Mac.

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- M-A-C or M-A-C-K

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or M-A-K?
Claire- M-A-C-.

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Ricardo- And Highlander like the
movie or like a Scotsman?

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Claire- Like a Scotsman. (all laughing)

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But we're instructional designers.

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We have a whole team
and we interview faculty

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and we wanna just reveal their
awesome online course design

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and share some great
things that they're doing

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that are kind of out of normal, you know?

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Mary- How do you source your faculty?

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Claire- How do we choose them?

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So our director of center
of teaching and learning

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and our coordinator of
instructional design and innovation,

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they come together and
they've been working there

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for so long (chuckles)

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so they know some great people

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through what they've been doing

506
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and they know some of the great
things that they're doing.

507
00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:57,930
So far, they have chosen but-

508
00:18:57,930 --> 00:18:59,730
Mary- Awesome
Claire- If we do,

509
00:18:59,730 --> 00:19:03,330
through our IDI team, if we do
see some great course design

510
00:19:03,330 --> 00:19:06,210
as we're evaluating courses,
then we wanna make sure

511
00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:07,800
that we reach out to those faculty

512
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,480
and ask them to come on the podcast.

513
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,370
Mary- That's great, thank you so much.

514
00:19:11,370 --> 00:19:15,090
Ricardo- How many of you here
have your own podcast?

515
00:19:15,090 --> 00:19:17,460
Mary- Yes, let's plug the next podcast.

516
00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:19,698
Jason- I was only laughing because
no one's really laughing.

517
00:19:19,698 --> 00:19:20,531
(Mary and Ricardo laughing)

518
00:19:20,531 --> 00:19:21,840
Jason- I was only laughing because we've run

519
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,700
into a number of people
along the way that have

520
00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:25,920
their own podcast.
Ricardo- Their own podcast.

521
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,880
Jason- The aforementioned colleague
who I did the session with

522
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,350
on design thinking session, we have one

523
00:19:34,350 --> 00:19:37,650
that's called Online
Learning in the Second Half

524
00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:40,440
and it's found at
onlinelearningpodcast.com.

525
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,386
Mary- Steal, we can't believe
that was available either.

526
00:19:42,386 --> 00:19:44,190
Jason- I know, it's amazing.
Mary- That's so lucky.

527
00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:47,430
Jason- This is more of a positive side-

528
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:48,633
tangent.
Ricardo- Oh, great.

529
00:19:48,633 --> 00:19:50,971
It's not what I was asking
for, but that's great.

530
00:19:50,971 --> 00:19:52,223
(all laughing)

531
00:19:52,223 --> 00:19:53,432
Jason- I want to take your questions

532
00:19:53,432 --> 00:19:57,605
and plug it into something
that I'm interested in talking about.

533
00:19:57,605 --> 00:19:58,507
(all laughing)

534
00:19:58,507 --> 00:20:00,240
Ricardo- That's what a podcast
is, ladies and gentlemen.

535
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,740
Jason- Exactly. (all laughing)

536
00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:03,660
We went to Gruhn Guitars.

537
00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:05,070
So we were talking to them,

538
00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:08,820
because they have
guitars.com, that's their URL.

539
00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:10,215
Mary- Wow.
Ricardo- Nice.

540
00:20:10,215 --> 00:20:12,798
(upbeat music)

541
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:15,330
Mary- Oh, Online Learning in the Second Half,

542
00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:17,820
that's their podcast, John and Jason.

543
00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:19,500
They're awesome by the way.

544
00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:21,930
Just fabulous human beings
to offer us the space

545
00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:23,430
to come in and have that conversation,

546
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:25,320
but their podcast is
really fun to listen to,

547
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,510
so if you haven't actually gone
to listen to their podcast,

548
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:29,880
we'll put it in the show
notes, like I said again,

549
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,680
but fabulous dudes.

550
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,790
Ricardo- And if you need an entryway,

551
00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:35,370
we appeared on one of their episodes.

552
00:20:35,370 --> 00:20:37,470
Mary- We'll definitely post that episode.

553
00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:38,430
Ricardo- Absolutely.

554
00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:40,155
Mary- Online Learning in the Second Half.

555
00:20:40,155 --> 00:20:43,170
(upbeat music)

556
00:20:43,170 --> 00:20:45,170
Ricardo- So how many of you
are here who would like

557
00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:48,273
to start your own podcast
at your institutions?

558
00:20:48,273 --> 00:20:50,310
Christy- I'm intimidated by it.

559
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:54,300
And because I already
have such a big workload

560
00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,130
as an instructional design consultant

561
00:20:56,130 --> 00:21:00,210
and I'm sitting here as you
three have been talking about it

562
00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:03,180
and I'm thinking, how much
time do they dedicate to this?

563
00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:07,140
And then how do they get
their regular job stuff done

564
00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:09,690
and so and so, and plus, you guys,

565
00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:12,210
I see that you respond to people

566
00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:15,090
when they post things or do things,

567
00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:16,560
so then you've got that as well.

568
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,608
So is this a full-time job?

569
00:21:19,608 --> 00:21:20,865
Mary- No. (chuckles)
Ricardo- No. (chuckles)

570
00:21:20,865 --> 00:21:21,698
Christy- No?
Mary- We wish.

571
00:21:21,698 --> 00:21:23,760
It would be so awesome
if this was our only job.

572
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,450
Ricardo- I think with Course
Stories, it takes a village.

573
00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:29,820
So we've actually pull in our IDs.

574
00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:32,010
So the ID who's running the interview

575
00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:36,210
will be doing scheduling, will
be doing the pre-interview,

576
00:21:36,210 --> 00:21:37,620
connecting with the instructor,

577
00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:39,120
which also probably helps them,

578
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,340
'cause sometimes they're
not always familiar

579
00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:44,190
with the instructor that
they're gonna be interviewing.

580
00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:45,023
Mary- They write the show notes also.

581
00:21:45,023 --> 00:21:46,290
Ricardo- They write the show notes,

582
00:21:46,290 --> 00:21:47,670
the show page.
Mary- Huge help.

583
00:21:47,670 --> 00:21:48,900
First season, I did it myself

584
00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:50,430
and I was like, "Oh, I'm dying."

585
00:21:50,430 --> 00:21:52,050
I'm just drowning in work.

586
00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:53,550
I would be up to nine o'clock at night,

587
00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:55,792
trying to get the episode
published for the next morning.

588
00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:56,760
It was just a lot.

589
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,290
Sometimes I still do that.

590
00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:59,640
Ricardo- But also it is a lot of work. (laughs)

591
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,570
Mary- It's a lot of work.

592
00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:02,730
Ricardo- But also you can tailor it.

593
00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:04,170
So we do seasons.

594
00:22:04,170 --> 00:22:06,180
Instead of doing some weekly show,

595
00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:09,210
we do every other week for a season,

596
00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:11,730
so that way we have six
episodes per semester

597
00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:14,850
and that's a little
better for our bandwidth.

598
00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:17,040
Mary- We do find, though,
we're still under the gun,

599
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,620
because the process of creating a podcast

600
00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:23,100
and especially ours, 'cause
we do two separate recordings.

601
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:24,270
We do the original interview

602
00:22:24,270 --> 00:22:25,770
and then we do our overlay conversation

603
00:22:25,770 --> 00:22:27,780
after the conversation's completed.

604
00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:30,540
So that alone, probably
around three hours.

605
00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:33,030
Then the editing process,

606
00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:35,790
praise all that is holy in Ricardo Leon,

607
00:22:35,790 --> 00:22:38,130
because that is the
hardest process for us.

608
00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:40,380
Now he's also been training

609
00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:41,550
other people on his team to do it.

610
00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:44,820
So Jeff Aguila has been
completing these for us.

611
00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:46,290
Aubrey's gonna do one for us.

612
00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:48,420
So we're starting to pull more people in

613
00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:50,580
as we recognize how much work it is,

614
00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:53,100
but we were doing all of the
work in the first season.

615
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,403
Christy- And you have a pretty large team, right?

616
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:58,620
Ricardo- Yeah, we do have a lot of resources,

617
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:02,130
but also I'm producing
other podcasts for ASU

618
00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:04,890
and some of those are
three episodes a semester

619
00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:07,200
or they're doing quarterly episodes.

620
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,360
As long as you're sharing
it out to your listeners

621
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,430
and making sure that people are informed

622
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:13,680
that you're doing episodes,

623
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,650
I think that you're okay
not to have that quotidian,

624
00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:20,098
every week kind of thing
that we listen to every day.

625
00:23:20,098 --> 00:23:23,080
You don't have to be
responsible for that, I think.

626
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,920
(upbeat music)

627
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,050
Ricardo- How do you guys pack for a conference?

628
00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:29,370
Any tips, anything?

629
00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:30,750
Or is there anything,
special consideration?

630
00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:33,210
I know that for me, as a media person,

631
00:23:33,210 --> 00:23:37,260
I've always got to have field
recorders and microphones

632
00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:42,260
and so I am often wrapping my
mics with pajamas and socks

633
00:23:42,570 --> 00:23:43,890
and all sorts of things to make sure

634
00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:45,240
that everything is nice and safe.

635
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,640
Is there any special
considerations that you guys make

636
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,360
in terms of packing or traveling
when you are doing this?

637
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,160
'Cause you're at work, essentially, too.

638
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,680
Mary- Absolutely, but then you
have to have fun clothes,

639
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,900
because every time you're
done with the conference,

640
00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,100
there's still hangout time.

641
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:00,990
You're still conferencing, really.

642
00:24:00,990 --> 00:24:01,950
Like when you go to dinner,

643
00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:03,750
you are going to dinner potentially

644
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:06,120
in your conference clothes
or did you wanna change?

645
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,440
Maybe you need another outfit that day.

646
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,130
Liz- So I'll say, when I did
OLC, we were in Florida

647
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:15,360
and of course we were
at the Dolphin and Swan

648
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,570
right next to EPCOT, Disney
World, the whole thing

649
00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:20,370
and as a big Disney
fan, my biggest struggle

650
00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:23,940
was how many Loungefly matching backpacks

651
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:26,160
to take with my matching ears.

652
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,810
So that was a really hard thing.

653
00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:29,520
The work stuff was actually really easy.

654
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,840
I just maroon and gold and
black, matching ASU outfits.

655
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,340
Of course, my ASU ears,

656
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:39,653
but it was the post-conference
outfits that really got me.

657
00:24:39,653 --> 00:24:42,213
How do I Disney-bound professionally?

658
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,573
Tim- Ricardo, do you plan
post-conference outfits?

659
00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:47,820
Ricardo- Shorts, sure. (Tim chuckles)

660
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,200
Especially, we were in-
Tim- It's not something

661
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,990
I would've ever thought
of. (Ricardo chuckles)

662
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:52,823
Ricardo- That was a tough one,

663
00:24:52,823 --> 00:24:54,870
'cause we were in Nashville,
so it was a little humid,

664
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:58,050
but then also, we went downtown
to the Broadway district

665
00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:00,420
and so we wanted to keep our
conference clothes a little bit

666
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,220
so we can look nice as we stepped out

667
00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:03,420
onto the town that evening.

668
00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:05,476
Tim- Do you guys use packing cubes?

669
00:25:05,476 --> 00:25:06,309
Liz- I do.
Mary- What?

670
00:25:06,309 --> 00:25:07,142
Ricardo- What's a packing cube?
Mary- I don't know what that is.

671
00:25:07,142 --> 00:25:11,400
Liz- They're like fabric kind
of compressing little cubes.

672
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,720
It's like a little square cube.

673
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,563
Tim- Bags within bags.

674
00:25:13,563 --> 00:25:16,260
Liz- Yeah, it's bags within bags, I do use them.

675
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:17,670
I've taken a couple approaches.

676
00:25:17,670 --> 00:25:20,400
Do I use the bag to put
in one day's outfit?

677
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,770
So I just pull the bag and
it's got everything I need?

678
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:25,230
Or do I separate by category?

679
00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:28,620
So I have a bag for
T-shirts, a bag for bottoms,

680
00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:31,230
a bag for accoutrements, whatever.

681
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:34,380
Ricardo- What is this technology that
it's compressing things down?

682
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:36,123
Liz- I don't know, I'm not a scientist.

683
00:25:36,123 --> 00:25:38,460
(upbeat music)

684
00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:40,080
Fred Telegdy- So, I'm sorry.
Mary- Oh, name.

685
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,700
Fred- Gotta introduce, yup.
- Thank you.

686
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:44,550
Fred- Fred Telegdy, I'm an
instructional designer

687
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:47,040
at the University of Virginia's
Darden School of Business

688
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,500
and we do have a podcast
and I can't remember

689
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,570
the names of all the podcasts we have,

690
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:53,580
so I'm not gonna plug
those, but my wife and I,

691
00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:55,800
we have a personal YouTube
channel that we do.

692
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,633
Mary- Oh, cool.

693
00:25:56,633 --> 00:25:58,140
Fred- I'm actually not gonna
plug that. (laughing)

694
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:59,160
Mary- That's fair, I get it.

695
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,360
Fred- Because we're not personalities.

696
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:01,800
We're behind the scenes

697
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,260
and we don't want to be personalities.

698
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:06,840
Ricardo- Is it ASMR? (laughing)

699
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,746
Fred- It's just me tapping
my fingers on the table.

700
00:26:08,746 --> 00:26:09,690
(people laughing)

701
00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:10,980
But what I'll say is,

702
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:12,870
if you're interested in making a podcast,

703
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:15,030
just go ahead and do it, just do it.

704
00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:16,560
But with a caveat.

705
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,970
Take the amount of content

706
00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:21,300
that you think you want
to do and cut it in half.

707
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,310
So if you say, "I wanna publish weekly,"

708
00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:25,680
start by saying I'm gonna
publish every other week,

709
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,350
because it's gonna take a lot
more work than you realize

710
00:26:28,350 --> 00:26:31,410
and that buys you double
time right out of the gate.

711
00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:32,790
So if you wanna do every month,

712
00:26:32,790 --> 00:26:34,350
start with every other month,

713
00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:38,160
because you can always
go faster down the road

714
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,770
and what I'll also say
is definitely invest

715
00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:42,600
in good microphone equipment,

716
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,840
because the audio quality
matters the most, even with video

717
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,910
and then just have fun.

718
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:52,710
Have a lot of fun and just
be prepared for that pace.

719
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:54,540
It'll buy you some time.

720
00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:56,310
Mary- And you would actually be surprised.

721
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:58,320
Your iPhones and probably Androids, too,

722
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,350
although I'm an iPhone user,
they have really good mics.

723
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:05,160
So when we do our remote
recordings, we started on Zoom,

724
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,290
but the processing, is that what it is,

725
00:27:07,290 --> 00:27:09,960
the processor of Zoom, it just diminishes

726
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,210
the quality and so it was obvious

727
00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:13,104
that someone's in studio
Ricardo- And there's some sync

728
00:27:13,104 --> 00:27:14,897
issues as well.
Mary- And some were.

729
00:27:14,897 --> 00:27:17,310
And so we actually have people participate

730
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:18,143
when they're remote.

731
00:27:18,143 --> 00:27:20,430
In Zoom in a meeting,
they put some headsets on

732
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:23,310
so that that sound is not
coming into their open space

733
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:24,900
and then they have their cell phone

734
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,940
recording their voice very close to them

735
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:30,090
and then we overlay those
files and then sync them up

736
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:32,640
and that, we've found,
is actually the best way,

737
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,880
for our purpose, to capture

738
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,787
the sound from a remote location.

739
00:27:37,787 --> 00:27:40,370
(upbeat music)

740
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,023
Liz- What's everyone's
favorite thing to take?

741
00:27:44,023 --> 00:27:45,277
What's your big thing that you're like,

742
00:27:45,277 --> 00:27:46,290
"I gotta take this."

743
00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:47,880
Either you gotta have
it for the plane ride

744
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,990
or for the hotel?

745
00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:51,150
That little creature comfort from home?

746
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:54,003
Mary- My toiletries, I just like all my stuff.

747
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,090
I might not use it, but I want it there

748
00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:59,370
in case I wanna use it,
that's kind of silly.

749
00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:00,840
Liz- No, I get that, that's the hardest part.

750
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,990
It's very hard to not pack my entire house

751
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:07,050
into this small suitcase
for a three-day trip.

752
00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:08,550
Mary- I'm by myself, what
if I wanna give myself

753
00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:11,101
a facial or do my nails? (laughing)

754
00:28:11,101 --> 00:28:13,170
(upbeat music)

755
00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:14,760
Mary- Good! And there was a question
over here, Tim's already

756
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,110
on it.
Stephanie Ferguson- Not so much a question,

757
00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:17,550
my name is-
Mary - Wait, hold on, who are you?

758
00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:18,780
What school are you from?

759
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,040
Stephanie- My name is Stephanie Ferguson

760
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320
and I'm an E-learning designer
with Trent University,

761
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,530
which is in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada.

762
00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:28,601
And we are here actually,
'cause we won one of the awards-

763
00:28:28,601 --> 00:28:31,560
Mary- Awesome, congratulations.
Stephanie- For a project.

764
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,110
But what I was gonna suggest is sometimes,

765
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:37,600
it can be overwhelming for
podcasting if you're thinking

766
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,550
like you indefinitely have
to turn out these episodes.

767
00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:44,160
Like for this project, we have a podcast,

768
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,370
but right now, there's
35 episodes, it's finite.

769
00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:50,280
Obviously there's room
to if they wanna update

770
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,980
and add more episodes, but as it is,

771
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:57,870
that was a manageable, kind of, finite package

772
00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:00,780
that we produced and people can listen to.

773
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:03,600
Ricardo- It's a publication
regardless of its form

774
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,587
and it's something that
you can point to and say,

775
00:29:05,587 --> 00:29:08,400
"Hey, this is something
that you can engage with

776
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,140
and learn about what we're doing."

777
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:13,140
Stephanie- When we first brought the
idea to the faculty member,

778
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:16,440
she was just like, "Oh, we're
already doing YouTube videos

779
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,530
and text content and H5P
interactive activities.

780
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:21,240
Do we really wanna take on a podcast?"

781
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,740
And so because we had the finite goal,

782
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:29,486
you don't have to keep
doing this for years to come

783
00:29:29,486 --> 00:29:31,290
and that was kind of more doable.

784
00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:32,160
Mary- I have a question.

785
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,890
How long are each of those 35 episodes?

786
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:38,970
Stephanie- They range from around
20 minutes I would say.

787
00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:41,550
So not crazy long.
Mary- A commute.

788
00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:43,470
It's great, thank you.
Ricardo- And we're

789
00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:46,620
producing some podcasts
for courses as well.

790
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:48,870
Those are definitely,

791
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:51,360
you're not gonna have continued listens

792
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,150
across semesters with different students.

793
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:56,850
You're gonna have this document,

794
00:29:56,850 --> 00:30:00,303
this publication that
will exist and be reused.

795
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,850
Mary- You guys are playing the podcast game

796
00:30:02,850 --> 00:30:03,715
very well, by the way.

797
00:30:03,715 --> 00:30:05,130
Thank you so much, but also-
Ricardo- It's fabulous, thank you.

798
00:30:05,130 --> 00:30:06,729
Mary- We were like, "How
is this going to work?"

799
00:30:06,729 --> 00:30:08,010
(Mary and Ricardo chuckles)

800
00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:10,740
Cris- I'm Cris Emberton and I have to leave,

801
00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:12,270
but it's not because I'm not engaged.

802
00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:15,090
Mary- That's okay, you were already engaged.

803
00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:17,160
Ricardo- She's playing the
game better than anyone.

804
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,560
Mary- Thank you for sticking
with us as long as you did.

805
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,540
Beyond the 15 minutes so I
feel like we did a good job.

806
00:30:22,540 --> 00:30:23,412
Thanks, Cris.
Ricardo- I think we got

807
00:30:23,412 --> 00:30:25,019
someone sneaking out right with her, too.

808
00:30:25,019 --> 00:30:25,874
Mary- That's okay.
Ricardo- That's okay.

809
00:30:25,874 --> 00:30:26,707
Cris- I have to make some edits.

810
00:30:26,707 --> 00:30:28,050
Mary- And that's okay.

811
00:30:28,050 --> 00:30:29,940
We're gonna come to session next.

812
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:30,900
Cris- She's with me.

813
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:32,373
Mary- That's fine, Jennifer.

814
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:35,853
I see you. (laughing)

815
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:40,140
Thanks to both of you for
coming and participating.

816
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:41,130
Cris- Thank you.

817
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,050
Tim- So I had something to
add about your question

818
00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:46,390
about quality and about the
amount of time investment

819
00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:49,860
and Ricardo and I have
been talking about this

820
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:53,190
that there's a threshold of effectiveness

821
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:56,250
that you can hit pretty well pretty easily

822
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:58,620
with some minor investment.

823
00:30:58,620 --> 00:31:00,480
Some correct microphones.

824
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,790
A little bit of training on mic technique

825
00:31:02,790 --> 00:31:04,980
or how to use your recording software.

826
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:07,470
But then at that level,
it becomes effective

827
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:09,150
and it becomes valuable,

828
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:12,090
regardless of how much
post-production you do.

829
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:14,580
This team does amazing post-production.

830
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:19,050
They create a very produced
and very polished product

831
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:20,880
and that's great if
you've got those resources

832
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,500
and you've got those time.

833
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:26,670
But let time be your consistent

834
00:31:26,670 --> 00:31:28,650
and quality be your variable.

835
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:31,740
So if you know you have two
hours a week to put into it,

836
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:34,890
then put two hours and
get something that's good.

837
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:37,920
And then as you get better,
you can up the quality

838
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,660
or up the production as you want to

839
00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:41,790
or as you become more efficient

840
00:31:41,790 --> 00:31:43,560
in your recording or your editing,

841
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,970
but there's gonna be so much value

842
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:47,910
in just having a thing that's good enough.

843
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:49,170
I know and I'm one of those.

844
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:50,227
There's always that conversation of,

845
00:31:50,227 --> 00:31:52,950
"Is good enough, good enough
or is it bare minimum?"

846
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:54,150
Mary- Done is better than perfect.
Tim- If there's

847
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:56,730
instructional quality, if
there's instructional value

848
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:59,700
in a good enough product,
then it's worth doing.

849
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,350
Ricardo- Right. And I think one of the
things, one of the rules

850
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:04,080
that we follow when
we're producing podcasts

851
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,630
is that the format is the king,

852
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,490
is if you can have
something that's consistent,

853
00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:12,360
something that people can
rely on, like a format.

854
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,390
So on our program, we have the intros,

855
00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:17,370
then we have the interview,
we have the injections

856
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:18,570
and then we have a closer.

857
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:20,190
It's a very simple format

858
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:21,810
and it makes it easier for you, too.

859
00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:22,643
You start realizing,

860
00:32:22,643 --> 00:32:25,110
"Wow, we hit 40 minutes
almost all the time,

861
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,240
because we have this consistent format."

862
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,950
Fred- I wanna add on to Tim's comment,

863
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:32,490
because the question of
time always comes up.

864
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:34,023
Our time is valuable.

865
00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:37,860
So often we measure how long
something's going to take

866
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:40,770
by the first time we do it
and I can tell you right now,

867
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:42,000
the first time you do a podcast,

868
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,400
the first time you do a
video, any of those things,

869
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,770
the first time is gonna be the longest.

870
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:48,510
The fifth time is gonna take longer

871
00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:49,770
than the 10th time you do it.

872
00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:53,280
The 10th is gonna take longer
than the 50th time you do it.

873
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Over time, I've developed efficiencies.

874
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,140
I've got keyboard shortcuts
and all these kinds of things

875
00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:00,810
that now, the amount of time it takes me

876
00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:03,960
to produce a higher quality video,

877
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,630
and easily the same thing with a podcast,

878
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:07,710
the amount of time it takes me

879
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:10,230
to create a higher quality product

880
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:12,480
compared to what I did the first time

881
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,507
or even the fifth or 10th
time, it's night and day.

882
00:33:15,507 --> 00:33:20,190
And so make sure that you're
not using those first few times

883
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:21,840
that you do it as the measuring stick

884
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,670
for what it's gonna be in the future.

885
00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:25,730
Ricardo- And you can always
remove those older episodes

886
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:29,730
if you feel like you've
evolved beyond them.

887
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:31,380
Jason- And I'll echo that as well.

888
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:35,130
You can use our podcast as a,

889
00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:38,280
people that are listening as a comparison.

890
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,570
We have a team of two,

891
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:41,880
which we do very much in our spare time

892
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,140
And we decided on the front end

893
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:45,720
that we couldn't dedicate
that much time to it,

894
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,830
so one of the things we do

895
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:49,020
is use technology to our advantage.

896
00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:52,800
We do use Zoom, we just
use the Zoom recordings,

897
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,320
not 'cause I don't know how
to get a better recording,

898
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,000
but because we don't want to deal with it,

899
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,670
the time that it takes to even layer

900
00:33:59,670 --> 00:34:02,583
in the digital workstation or whatever.

901
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:06,810
And so we also use a
program called Descript,

902
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:08,850
D-E-S, script.

903
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:10,800
Our Zoom file goes right into that.

904
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,900
It transcribes it and then it's shared

905
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:16,380
like a SharePoint or a Microsoft Word file

906
00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:19,500
that both John and I
edit like a Word file.

907
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,930
You can hit a button,
it'll take out all your "ums"

908
00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:23,940
and all your filler words if you want to.

909
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:25,620
It doesn't sound fantastic.

910
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,850
Yours admittedly sounds better
and we're okay with that

911
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:31,410
just because we don't have a team

912
00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:32,760
and we don't have the time.

913
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,070
But it's functional.

914
00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:37,110
And we try to get a good quality enough

915
00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:38,550
that it communicates.

916
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:39,780
We can take out filler words,

917
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:41,970
we can copy and paste things around.

918
00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:43,950
And then if you wanted to,
you could export it directly

919
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:45,900
to a audio file then to put up

920
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:49,260
and actually will even go
right to your podcast platform

921
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:51,390
from Descript if you wanted to do that.

922
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:54,540
We do a little bit of editing
with music afterwards.

923
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:55,890
Ricardo- But at this point, it's a template.

924
00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:57,540
You have your music and
you're just dragging

925
00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:58,590
and dropping to the next-
Jason- That's right.

926
00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:01,410
Once you get the first episode
done, as you were saying

927
00:35:01,410 --> 00:35:02,550
and you just put it in there

928
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:05,130
and it's pretty simple in that way.

929
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:07,020
I really encourage people
if they want to do it.

930
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:09,600
It's just talking and writing

931
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,710
and having these conversations.

932
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:13,380
It's thinking, it's
thinking through things.

933
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:15,660
It's opening up a wider
conversation to other people

934
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:18,027
and I think it's so
important and it's so good.

935
00:35:18,027 --> 00:35:20,100
Tim- And that's how the academic thing works.

936
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:22,380
Share ideas and then get feedback.

937
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:25,221
If we all keep our ideas to
ourselves, it doesn't work.

938
00:35:25,221 --> 00:35:27,804
(upbeat music)

939
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:31,470
Mary- Anything for you, Tim, any must haves?

940
00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:33,860
Tim- No, I try to keep it simple.

941
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:36,270
I pack with the rule that you pack

942
00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:38,583
and then you take out
a quarter of the stuff.

943
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:42,060
Ricardo- Anything that doesn't bring you joy?

944
00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:43,830
Tim- Intentionally scaled down,

945
00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:45,990
more than you think you're gonna need.

946
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:47,160
Ricardo- We're dudes.
Tim- Because you probably

947
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,165
won't need it.
Ricardo- It's different for dudes.

948
00:35:49,165 --> 00:35:51,853
Liz- I was like, "That's the
Coco Chanel approach."

949
00:35:51,853 --> 00:35:52,740
You look in the mirror-
Ricadro- Take one thing out.

950
00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:54,300
Liz- Take one thing off,

951
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,010
it's like the Coco Chanel for packing.

952
00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:58,221
We'll call it the Tim
McKean packing trick.

953
00:35:58,221 --> 00:35:59,280
(Ricardo laughing)

954
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,110
Tim- It comes from a camping background.

955
00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:02,400
Like if you're backpacking,

956
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,290
you don't wanna carry stuff
that you're not gonna use.

957
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,150
I mean, did you bring home clean clothes?

958
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:06,983
Probably.
Mary- Oh, that's funny.

959
00:36:06,983 --> 00:36:08,790
So it's like there's the plus one model

960
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:10,620
for integration of
things into your course,

961
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:12,120
just pick one thing you can change.

962
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,010
And then there's the minus
one model for packing

963
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:15,295
for conferences.
Tim- For packing, there you go.

964
00:36:15,295 --> 00:36:16,230
(Mary laughing)

965
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:17,402
Plus one minus one.

966
00:36:17,402 --> 00:36:19,320
(upbeat music)

967
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,140
Ricardo- We do have a call to
action though, don't we?

968
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:24,870
Tim, can you kind of?

969
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:27,690
With the Uber drive back.
Mary- Oh, that's right.

970
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:30,660
Ricardo- You gave us a great call to action.

971
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:32,520
Tim- So one of the things we talked about

972
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,820
was that the value in interviewing faculty

973
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:39,510
and using faculty as your
resource for training

974
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:42,150
is that faculty really value

975
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:44,073
each other's opinions very highly, right?

976
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:47,430
And as an instructional designer,

977
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:50,583
I feel like sometimes I
am seen as an outsider,

978
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,830
but if I can go and
interview a faculty member

979
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:56,970
and it sounds like several of you

980
00:36:56,970 --> 00:36:59,040
are doing very similar
things of interviewing

981
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,410
and using that as training,
that is so valuable,

982
00:37:01,410 --> 00:37:03,390
because they see their peer doing it

983
00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:05,550
and that gives it legitimacy,

984
00:37:05,550 --> 00:37:07,387
but it also establishes that community of,

985
00:37:07,387 --> 00:37:10,590
"Now I know that Jason's doing

986
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:11,910
a certain strategy in his class.

987
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:14,160
If I want to try that,
I can go talk to him."

988
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,740
And another thing that came to mind, too,

989
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:18,963
was this idea of locality.

990
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:21,330
As you all are talking about your podcast,

991
00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:24,660
since I'm thinking they're
all doing the same podcast,

992
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:29,660
do we need 18 podcasts about
interactive course design?

993
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:33,210
And, I thought maybe yes.

994
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:35,887
There is value in that locality of,

995
00:37:35,887 --> 00:37:38,790
"This is the people I know on
my campus that are doing this

996
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:40,740
and so now I'm building community

997
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:42,300
and I know what other people are doing."

998
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,450
There's so many silos
and divisions in schools

999
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:50,450
that even if the audience is
just in your own location,

1000
00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:52,050
there's still incredible value there

1001
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:53,670
and incredible community to be built.

1002
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:56,460
So we would encourage you to give it a go

1003
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:58,230
even if you think, "I don't need to do it.

1004
00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:00,210
Mary and Ricardo are already doing it.

1005
00:38:00,210 --> 00:38:02,520
Why should I redo what ASU is doing?"

1006
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,440
And the answer is because it's valuable

1007
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,840
to your faculty and to their students.

1008
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Ricardo- And we'd also like to
maybe extend our community,

1009
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,940
our Course Stories
community out to you all.

1010
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:13,680
We've given you the links there

1011
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,870
if you would like to
just, on your cell phone,

1012
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:18,690
interview one of your
faculty about a course design

1013
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:19,920
and we'd love to share that out

1014
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,410
and make that part of our program

1015
00:38:22,410 --> 00:38:24,420
and part of something
that we share out as well.

1016
00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:27,630
And so that's our call to
action is to please follow up

1017
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:30,229
and if you just wanna share
a personal course story

1018
00:38:30,229 --> 00:38:33,510
or something about the OLC conference,

1019
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:37,050
it's a form that you can
just upload an audio file to

1020
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:38,267
and we'd love to hear from you.

1021
00:38:38,267 --> 00:38:40,890
Tim- And if you wanna get more
audience to your podcast,

1022
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:42,180
sending them a Course Story-
Ricardo- Yes.

1023
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:43,590
Tim- Will help expand both audiences.

1024
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:46,440
Ricardo- Yes and all of those
of you who have podcasts,

1025
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,600
we'd love to do some more crossovers.

1026
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,280
We were able to join in on
another podcast earlier yesterday

1027
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,050
and we'd love to continue building

1028
00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:56,340
that community with you all.

1029
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:59,640
Mary- And that is a great segue
to the closing of our episode.

1030
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,130
So does anybody have
anything they'd like to plug?

1031
00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:03,990
We've already heard from Mac.

1032
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:05,760
Claire- Mac Talks.
Tim- Mac Talks.

1033
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,840
Mary- M-A-C-T-A-L-K-S, Mac Talks.

1034
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,353
Where can they find you,
anywhere podcasts are found?

1035
00:39:12,353 --> 00:39:13,860
Claire- Anchor?
Mary- Anchor.

1036
00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:14,850
Claire- Basically anywhere.

1037
00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:16,320
Ricardo- So if you're not familiar,

1038
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,760
wherever you host your podcast,

1039
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,990
wherever you upload your podcast,

1040
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,670
usually it's a subscription based thing,

1041
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:22,770
it'll create what it's called an RSS feed

1042
00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:25,110
and you can just submit that to iTunes,

1043
00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:27,030
Stitcher, anywhere you listen to podcasts,

1044
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:29,070
that'll become part of
a subscription thing

1045
00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:31,260
where people can subscribe to your podcast

1046
00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:33,150
and make it available to everybody.

1047
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:34,260
That's one of our philosophies

1048
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:35,970
we had discussions early on.

1049
00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:38,190
Do we want this to be
available to everyone?

1050
00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:39,090
Yes, absolutely.

1051
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:40,800
We want to be able to be agnostic

1052
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,860
when it comes to where these
things are being shared.

1053
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:46,230
Mary- And then we have Online
Learning in the Second Half.

1054
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:48,121
Online learning podcast?

1055
00:39:48,121 --> 00:39:49,770
Jason- onlinelearningpodcast.com,

1056
00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:50,757
that's it.
Mary- Boom.

1057
00:39:50,757 --> 00:39:52,950
Any other plugs in the room?

1058
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:55,803
Stephanie- Ours is Understanding
Homelessness in Canada.

1059
00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:59,430
Mary- Understanding Homelessness in Canada.

1060
00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:01,260
Stephanie- It's on Voice and Radio.

1061
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:02,880
Mary- Awesome, on Voice and Radio.

1062
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,640
And that's in Ontario?
Stephanie- Yes.

1063
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,003
So there's 35 episodes,
we'd love (indistinct).

1064
00:40:08,863 --> 00:40:10,290
Mary- I will likely go listen to that.

1065
00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:12,750
I like the social oriented podcast.

1066
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:14,640
We definitely wanna highlight you

1067
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,290
and your bravery in speaking today,

1068
00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:20,790
'cause it is awkward being
in these spaces and sharing

1069
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:23,250
and so we thank you and thank
you to all who have attended.

1070
00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:25,110
We hope that you found
something from the session.

1071
00:40:25,110 --> 00:40:26,502
Ricardo- Thank you for being here.

1072
00:40:26,502 --> 00:40:28,733
(audience applauding)

1073
00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:29,940
(upbeat music)

1074
00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:32,300
Ricardo- Our first live show, thank you.

1075
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,227
(upbeat music)

1076
00:40:35,227 --> 00:40:38,040
Ricardo- Thank you so much for
listening to this episode.

1077
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,269
Our first live episode at the OLC 2023.

1078
00:40:42,269 --> 00:40:43,102
Mary- I think it went pretty well,

1079
00:40:43,102 --> 00:40:45,180
considering we didn't
know what we were doing

1080
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:47,100
until the night before when
we go to dinner with Tim

1081
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,080
and he's like, "How about
I hold the mic and I go

1082
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,099
around the room and we're
like, "Thank God." (laughing)

1083
00:40:51,099 --> 00:40:52,470
Ricardo- That was great, that was great.

1084
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:55,445
We plied Tim with enough
barbecue that- (chuckles)

1085
00:40:55,445 --> 00:40:56,670
Mary- It was a pretty good barbecue.

1086
00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:58,146
Tim- It was great.
Ricardo- He joined in with us.

1087
00:40:58,146 --> 00:40:59,340
Tim- No, it was fun.

1088
00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:00,930
Mary- That was great, thanks
for helping us out, Tim.

1089
00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:04,530
It was actually super fun to
not only do the experience

1090
00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:06,780
of presenting at the
OLC, highly recommend,

1091
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:08,040
but hanging out with our colleagues,

1092
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,810
getting to know each
other a little bit better

1093
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:12,000
and being there to support one another.

1094
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,620
It just felt really like a awesome

1095
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:15,480
community building
opportunity for all of us.

1096
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,630
Ricardo- Absolutely.
Tim- Community building is key.

1097
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,490
Ricardo- Does anybody want to add anything

1098
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:22,920
before we wrap up this episode?

1099
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,830
Mary- Go to the OLC's website, check
out what they have offered.

1100
00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:29,250
I mean there's definitely
two conferences every year

1101
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:31,470
that we would recommend,
Accelerate and Innovate.

1102
00:41:31,470 --> 00:41:33,420
There's a different program that they have

1103
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:36,690
for online learning leaders, the IELOL.

1104
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:38,850
So there's a lot of opportunities
to engage in their space

1105
00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:41,220
and they offer a ton of
workshops and certifications

1106
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:43,170
and all kinds of goodies on their website.

1107
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:45,000
So go there and check them out.

1108
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,290
Ricardo- Great.
Tim- Other conferences

1109
00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:48,480
like Canvas' conference coming up?

1110
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,500
Mary- That was so fun.

1111
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,360
Tim- QM does some good conferences.

1112
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,760
Anytime you can get a chance
to get out of your bubble,

1113
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
interact with others from your own school

1114
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,030
or from other schools.

1115
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:59,250
I've met a few people from other schools

1116
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,390
that do a similar job to me

1117
00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:02,520
and we've still been in communication.

1118
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,270
So I would say 80% of
the benefit that I got

1119
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:07,950
out of going to the conference

1120
00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:10,710
was just in the connections
and in the conversations.

1121
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:11,880
Seeing what other people are doing,

1122
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,620
knowing what other struggles are,

1123
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:16,080
knowing that other people
struggle with the same thing,

1124
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,510
it's all beneficial.

1125
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:20,550
Ricardo- And if someone wants to
have a conversation with us,

1126
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:22,050
have a little get together with us,

1127
00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:23,430
how can they reach out to us

1128
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:24,990
to make sure that we're gonna be attending

1129
00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:26,550
the next conference that they're at?

1130
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:28,260
Mary- If you wanna sponsor
us, feel free to reach out

1131
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:31,530
to coursestories@asu.edu,
we're all available.

1132
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:32,940
Tim- Have microphone, we'll travel.

1133
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:34,200
Mary- That's right. (Ricardo chuckles)

1134
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,530
Wrapped in a T-shirt. (laughing)

1135
00:42:37,530 --> 00:42:40,113
(upbeat music)

1136
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:42,330
Ricardo- Course Stories is available

1137
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:43,920
wherever you listen to podcasts.

1138
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,980
You can reach us at coursestories@asu.edu.

1139
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:48,030
Course Stories is produced

1140
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:50,370
by the instructional
design and new media team

1141
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:52,920
at EdPlus at Arizona State University.

1142
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,020
If you're an instructor at ASU online,

1143
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:56,160
tell us your course story

1144
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680
and we may feature it in a future episode.

1145
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,730
Thanks for listening.